The discussion revolves around the emergence of unique ecosystems in Hawaii shaped by human intervention and the tensions between natural evolution and human-created environments. Some commenters argue that the persistent view of human-created ecosystems as 'freakish' is a flawed perspective that stems from certain cultural beliefs about nature vs. humanity. The comments suggest that this perspective overlooks the complexity of nature, which is inherently shaped by crises and changes over time. They highlight examples from both urban and non-urban settings where human influence has created new environmental dynamics, prompting debates about biodiversity, conservation, and the value of novel ecosystems. The various perspectives point towards a need for a more nuanced understanding that appreciates both the gains from human activity and the losses of original ecosystems.