This discussion revolves around the argument that it's not just personal integrity or morality that shapes behavior within organizations, but significantly the incentives that are designed to drive behavior. Users emphasize that although some individuals might choose to adhere to ethical standards, the incentive structures often favor those who exploit the system, consequently encouraging a culture where unethical behavior may become the norm. There's a concern regarding how difficult it is to change these incentives once they're entrenched, as resistance arises from various stakeholders who fear the repercussions of such changes. The conversation also touches on the fear of becoming marginalized in the workplace if one does not conform to the prevailing incentive systems, raising questions about the potential benefits of unionizing for better working conditions. Overall, it underscores a deeper moral dilemma faced by individuals in large corporations, weighing personal ethics against systemic pressures.